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Some say we are still under the Law of Moses and the only thing that was made void from the Old Covenant was the sacrifices and some have stated that Jesus backed this up by His statement that we should live by every word of God. We need to look at this subject with scriptural understanding and find the truth as God wants; and in order to do that we need to come to the place where we can answer using Facts rather than Ideology. This needs to be answered because if we get it wrong brethren then there is the possibility that some may not receive salvation if they reject the Messiah's message sent from the Holy Father. I teach and believe that the Ten Commandments are very necessary and will even be implemented in the kingdom that Jesus is bringing however the point is when someone makes the statement that we should live under the Torah they are speaking of the five books of Moses and all that goes along with it so the question is are we under the law of Moses? The law of Moses encompasses the Levitical priesthood and everything that went under the Levitical priesthood.
The first point that needs to be understood is that the word Torah (Law) in the New Testament has more than one meaning and it was used in different ways in the bible however many believe the word Torah only means the established unchanging Laws God has ever given. The word Torah means the Laws of Moses, the Laws of the Judges, the Laws of the priesthood with the sacrifices but what about the Ten Commandments? The Ten Commandments are not the Law of Moses but was only given to Moses by God to be delivered by him to the people. We also need to understand that many other Laws were added down through time because of the people’s disobedience and were a school master for things to come.
Now for those that want to truly find the scriptural facts let's look at ALL the scriptures that guide us to the truth and not inject some men's Ideology they have learned from others and never truly checked out all the facts. That is what everyone who wants the truth should do ... Check all the facts without bias, or prejudice and examine the scriptures searching for what God has revealed. I like the statement... "You can have your own opinions but you can't have your own facts."
Now what about this scripture many use to say we must keep the Law of Moses in Matt 5:17-19 where our Lord stated that He did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill the law? What did Jesus mean by that statement? He meant that He would fulfill or to say he would satisfy the requirements and obligations the law required when He dies as the eternal sacrifice. This means that the death penalty that was placed on mankind in the garden has been removed for those that accept the blood sacrifice of the Son of God and whoever depends on that blood sacrifice shall be "justified" and as the apostle Paul stated that if the law could save us from our sins than the Messiah Jesus is dead in vain. He stated... "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain." Gal 2:20-21
A Point of Truth.
If you believe you are still under the Law of Moses then you MUST also keep this command from God. Not to obey this command is to disobey God's direct command to the people of Israel by way of Moses the servant of God!
Deut 17:2-5 "If there is found among you, within any of your gates which the LORD your God gives you, a man or a woman who has been wicked in the sight of the LORD your God, in transgressing His covenant, who has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, either the sun or moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded, and it is told you, and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently. And if it is indeed true and certain that such an abomination has been committed in Israel then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has committed that wicked thing, and shall stone to death that man or woman with stones."
As we have seen according to the old covenant and the "Torah of Moses" we should stone to death all those that have been in other religions that worshipped the Christ-mass tree and pagan eggs of Easter. Also we would have to stone everyone that was in our congregations and have left to worship other gods like those that went back to keeping Christ-mass, Easter, or worship of the Pagan Cross after learning the truth and we should stone the stranger when he blasphemes the name of the LORD in our presents!
This would place us in the same camp as the Muslims that kill because people will not obey Muhammad’s laws. Think about how it really was during the Old Covenant and how many women and children were stoned to DEATH in the site of the people. As Allan Jongetjes (A contributor to our group) stated; “Think about what Saul was doing and why? He was killing people for breaking the Law of Moses by believing in the New Covenant and Jesus as the eternal sacrifice.”
Yes brethren that is just like what we see the Muslims doing today when people break Muhammad’s laws and that is what Jesus came to make void.
What are we to do with all this?
We Certainly would not do so! What is the answer to the quote that we are still under the Torah of Moses because we are to live by every word of God? The answer to this is truly very simple as we find that God also has the right to CHANGE what He wants to change. God has the right to create what He wants and He has the right to destroy what He wants. God can make something a sin and then command that it no longer be a sin like making a fire on the Sabbath. Some may tell you this would never happen however let’s let the bible answer as we all should agree the words given should be our guide. I ask once more; Do you truly keep all the Torah?
There is a message that Jesus the Messiah brought from the Holy Father and what we need to understand is that it is this message that all else MUST stand on. As stated in Matt 5:38-39 referring to the old law "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But Jesus changed it when He stated "But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.” Brethren it is just as true about the law to stone a person to death for braking the Sabbath and other infractions of the Law of Moses and it is a fact that Jesus overturned it as He brought a sacrifice with mercy to abolish (Not the Ten commandments and Not the Sabbath which is the fourth commandment.) but the many harsh and strict punishments with the ones that failed the Laws of Moses and the old Priesthood that showed no mercy on many things. Notice I stated that it was not the Ten commandments that was abolished just as there are many good laws such as the clean and un-clean laws that are still in effect.
Remember The Messiah is the judge over all things and it’s His discretion that counts because my friend He is not bound by the law just as He is all in all and is not subject to any bounds what-so-ever. Just because God created gravity does not mean it has an effect on Him. As the New Testament notes in Rom. 9:2-24 He can take one lump of clay and split it to make one vessel of honor and the other of dishonor. He made the ruler of Egypt disbelieve and go against Moses and then punished him for his disbelief. That is the power and authority of the Messiah Jesus the Son of God and soon to be ruler over all this earth. Yes the Laws first set down in writing by the finger of God and brought to the people by Moses from the Mountain is the ultimate law and will be the Law that governs human conduct as long as there are humans living together. Again I repeate the Ten Commandments were not the Law of Moses but the Laws of God almighty given to Mankind!
Now let’s answer the question by asking Jesus Himself what Laws are in effect under the New Covenant. Do you believe what is recorded in Matt 19:16 because Jesus was asked this very question. It states… “Now behold, one came and said to Him, "Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?"
What did Jesus say? Did He tell the man he needed to keep all the Laws of Moses? This is the perfect time for Jesus to say what we should do so let’s read what is recorded as His answer. “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments." (Brethren the man knew there was a difference in the Laws because he asked …
"Which ones?") and Jesus said," 'You shall not murder,' 'You shall not commit adultery,' 'You shall not steal,' 'You shall not bear false witness,' 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'" As stated before the Ten Commandments are not the Law of Moses but was only delivered by him to Mankind.
Now if we go to other recorded answers from Jesus Himself when asked this question we find that He was only referring to the Ten Commandments as well.
It states; ‘Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying,’ "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" Jesus said to him," 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the first and great commandment. "And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." Matt 22:35-40; So what did Jesus say to them? “On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." It is not a question if He stated this as fact but more a question if you believe Him.
We also find the apostle Paul stating the same as Jesus stated recorded in Rom 13:8-10 and notice that the apostle Paul does not make any statement here about the Law of Moses as well. It states… “Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness," "You shall not covet," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.”
So what about the Law (Torah) of Moses that came over the years after Moses brought the Ten Commandments he received from God down from the mountain? We find recorded in Acts 13:36-39 that salvation comes from Jesus and not the Law of Moses... It states; "For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell asleep, was buried with his fathers, and saw corruption; "but He whom God raised up saw no corruption. "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; "and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the Torah of Moses."
We also find recorded in Acts 15:10 we find that the Law (Torah) of Moses could not save and that no one could keep it therefore the old covenant had to be done away and Jesus had to bring in the new covenant by the shedding of His own blood because the blood of bulls could not save or change the heart. The fact is the Torah of Moses is no longer in effect and we can also find this fact again in the New Testament accounts recorded in Acts 15:1-10 which states…“And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved." Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question. So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, describing the conversion of the Gentiles; and they caused great joy to all the brethren. And when they had come to Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders; and they reported all things that God had done with them. But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the Law of Moses."
You can see by this statement "It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the Law of Moses." that the Pharisees knew that Circumcision and the Law (Torah) of Moses were one in the same and you can't separate the two. Now let's continue reading... "Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter and when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: "Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, "and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?”
In other words from what we see from the comments by the apostles recorded in Acts 15 there was a dispute concerning the keeping of the Law of Moses concerning Circumcision and also stating that “the Law of Moses could not save” and that neither their fathers nor they themselves were able to keep therefore the Old Covenant had to be done away and Jesus had to bring in the New Covenant by the sheading of His own blood, however this is only true of those laws and commands that God Himself have not done away with such as the Ten Commandments which truly covers many things such as the seventh day Sabbath as the day to worship God and that no graven images should be made for the purpose of worship such as the cross or figures on the cross and the other five commands deal with how humans should treat their fellows.
Now to recap some of this because of the amount of information here. As I stated … The Ten Commandments were not the Law of Moses as I have stated but more the Law of God given to Moses to deliver to mankind. I also have stated that Jesus up-held the Ten Commandments as did the apostle Paul but neither mentioned the Law of Moses as still in effect. I have shown that the Law of Moses was done away in many places such as the fact that two covenants cannot co-exist as we find in the book of Hebrew and that the old covenant (Law of Moses) was made void as we will see here. When one looks closely at the Law of Moses you will find that much of it was added down through the years because the people were disobedient and stiff necked so those laws are done away as the book of Hebrew notes. It acutely states in vs. 12 of Heb. 7: "For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.” And we also find in the book of Hebrews that there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness. It states…”For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.” Heb 7:18-19;
The term to "annul" here means to do away with in a complete manner just like when any contract is annulled or invalidated. What many have not understood concerning the Old and New Covenants is that they can’t co-exist. The establishment of the New Covenant voided the Old covenant as we find recorded in Hebrews 10:9 which states that Jesus takes away the first covenant so that He may establish the second. Also take into consideration that the children of Israel are the ones that made the covenant with God in all its conditions but we as well as the Gentiles have made a new agreement with God and that is what Satan wants to eradicate because this New Covenant is as noted in scripture a better and more permanent Covenant with Jesus as the eternal High Priest and cannot be corrupted.
Now brethren let’s read what is recorded in Heb 8:7-10: “For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. Because finding fault with them, He says: "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah; not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.”
This fact can be found in Jer 31:31; "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah" When a person uses the term Torah they in most cases are caught up in the teachings that every word or command from God is still in effect today but they just are not thinking this false teaching through and are getting caught up in a diversion that truly holds them in the place the apostle Paul warned about. Those that want to be under the Torah are free to do so and even ignore the fact that to continue in the complete Torah as they say God would NEVER change a perfect Law as the Law of Moses then they must have a temple and a priesthood as noted in scripture, but I will continue in the teachings of Jesus and the apostles and not live under a “dead Covenant” that I Personally did not make with God!
Old Covenant Screptures that use the word "Forever"
Some say Forever means forever well check out some scripture recorded in II Ki 17:36-37 "but the LORD, who brought you up from the land of Egypt with great power and an outstretched arm, Him you shall fear, Him you shall worship, and to Him you shall offer sacrifice. "And the statutes, the ordinances, the law, and the commandment which He wrote for you, you shall be careful to observe forever; you shall not fear other gods.” Question is: Are you are not going to be like the Protestants and pick and choose what you want as truth?
And in Num 18:23 "But the Levites shall perform the work of the tabernacle of meeting, and they shall bear their iniquity; it shall be a statute forever, throughout your generations, that among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.”
And in Lev 23:14 'You shall eat neither bread nor parched grain nor fresh grain until the same day that you have brought an offering to your God; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.”
And in Lev 10:15 "The thigh of the heave offering and the breast of the wave offering they shall bring with the offerings of fat made by fire, to offer as a wave offering before the LORD. And it shall be yours and your sons' with you, by a statute forever, as the LORD has commanded."
(Question is do you follow these commands that state you are to do them forever?)
The Sabbath was given at creation and IS FOREVER but as Jesus stated on the two great commandments HANG ALL the law and prophets and the book of Hebrew shows clearly that the old covenant is void in the blood sacrifice of the Lamb of God the Holy Father.
Let’s read what the apostle Paul taught concerning the law to those in his day in Gal 3:10-12; “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith." Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."
This scripture denotes that if you want to be under the law you must keep the law in its entirety and we find in other letters of the apostle Paul that if one thinks they need to stay under the law they reject the grace of the Messiah as we find in Gal 5:4 which states…”You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”
One of the best points Paul made concerning the Old Covenant vs. the New is here in a letter to the Galatians chapter 4 vs. 21-31; He wrote... “Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic.For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar--for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children--but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
For it is written: "Rejoice, O barren, you who do not bear! Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor! For the desolate has many more children than she who has a husband." Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman." So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.”
Brethren the things that are good are still good and a writing in a book does not make it good...”God does.” God is the Law maker and those that come to understand the intent of God does good to all (not because of a law) but because they have changed in their heart and have come to understand the lessons the Old Covenant could not give because the Holy Spirit could not be given to mankind in the way it can now till there was a way mankind could be justified as perfect in the site of the Holy Father and an advocate such as Jesus the Lamb of God was in place to plead for us which could not happen till the blood was shed by a sacrifice that was so great that Satan himself could not destroy it. Please understand this one thing…The Old Covenant was physical and the New Covenant is spiritual!
The Messiah's sacrifice was an everlasting sacrifice that could transcend the chosen Hebrews from Abraham to the Gentiles and this event was called for many years the great mystery till the time of the Holy One would come. Until this true message Jesus brought from the Holy Father is understood mankind remains in darkness and yes those that reject this message must continue under the Old Covenant and the written Torah because they will not know right from wrong without the written Torah till they accept the power of the Messiah’s sacrifice and receive the knowledge that can only come from the Holy Spirit. Remember Jesus told His disciples that He had many things to tell them but they could not understand them at that time. He stated that they would understand soon because He (The Messiah) would send His Holy Spirit to them and then their minds would be opened. If you have read this far the truth is obviously we are no longer under the Law of Moses.
I did this research because I don't believe people are understanding what they are saying when they make comments that we must keep every single law that God has ever given when scripture shows that many of these laws of the Levitical priesthood have been terminated as the book of Hebrews states. The Levitical priesthood has been made void as I noted in this study and to make something void means to stop doing it. Any person that is trying to do those things that are correct understands the difference between right and wrong. The difference between lying and speaking the truth or murder or helping those you can help. Every right hearted person that wants to do the will of God understands that we are to keep the earth clean and not kill animals just for the sake of hunting for sport and that we are to look to the Creator and not make images and worship those images as God and any person who is paying attention to the mind of God and the intent of God understands that we are to help feed the poor look out for our fellow man by not stealing their goods or being contentious with their neighbors. Many of these laws that are given such as clean and unclean meat laws or for our good and those are not the things that I am referring to. What I'm referring to is the religious ceremonies and the old command that God Himself have rejected which is to stone people because they made a fire on the Sabbath. Jesus was trying to make that point when He said that we are no longer to go by what was written as an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth because that type of thinking is exactly the kind of thinking we see in the Middle East today from ISIS. How is that working out for those people in that part of the world?
It seems that there are many groups out here who are being taught by their ministers to be under the law of Moses without properly explaining what they are trying to say and this mistake was also made in many of the articles on the law under the Armstrong regime. What I am attempting to do with the many studies on this subject is strike the balance of truth as Jesus and as the apostles taught. It should be noted that I refer to the Ten Commandments when I say "Law" as I have learned in the last several years the Law as some preach and push on others is done away with. I did a very extensive study on the book of Hebrews and it opened my eyes to a great deal concerning the Mosaic Law vs. the Ten Commandments. One question I asked God to show me was which laws did He leave for us to obey from the Old Covenant and which laws did He abolish? After much study and prayer His answer came with this scripture recorded in Matt 22:36-40; "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" Jesus said to him," 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the first and great commandment. "And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." When one plugs in all the context of the book of Hebrews with this it become very clear. I made a Covenant with Jesus the Messiah of whom I continue to rely on for my salvation.
You might want to check out the study titled “Law vs. Grace" at this link... http://www.masters-table.org/studies/grace.html
If you want to study more concerning the "New Covenant" click on this link... http://www.masters-table.org/studies/covenant.html
If you want to read more about the "Messianic Jews Movement" check out the study paper titled... "Messianic Jews ~ Should Christians follow their teachings?"
If you are wanting to find information concerning the term "Ideology" Check out ... http://www.masters-table.org/warning/Ideology%20vs%20truth.htm
Timothy M. Youngblood